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no not yet, lots of lazy 8's, the fun way, some wing overs but havent rolled it yet, was wondering if anyone had entry speeds, but i guess not
slacker
- Friday, December 10, 2004 at 16:00:32 (CST)
Slacker,
Can't lay claim to that one yet.. Have you?
N757NW <N757NW@cox.net>
- Thursday, December 09, 2004 at 19:41:33 (CST)
have any of you brave soles rolled a t-bird yet????
slacker
- Wednesday, December 01, 2004 at 12:54:53 (CST)
Does anyone have good pics of their 582 install? I have extra holes in my 582. I don,t know if they are supposed to be there or not. Good closeups would be cool.
Thanks!!
jerry
jerry <jerry.mansfield.ctr@usmc.mil>
- Monday, November 29, 2004 at 10:27:38 (CST)
I hope it works if I ever need it.When I was looking for chutes,I thought about brs type,But decided to go with the
spring loaded chute instead.I read articles on both of them and looked at a web site in canada that makes them amd that kinda help me make up my mind.So being my first plane i
hope I made the right decision.Thanks for all the info.
David
- Sunday, November 21, 2004 at 19:13:59 (CST)
David: Nope, I don't see any problem, unless it's so old it doesn't deploy. Sounds like you might have one of the old Second Chantz chutes, it's the shape of a drop tank, right? I have that, and it's currently mounted to shoot across my right wing struts, under the wing. When I upgrade to a BRS (which is what I thought you had), I will mount that one on top.
If you have what I have, with the aluminum slip-ring mount that fitst the smaller tubes, then you might want to mount yours like mine, on the right-side rear tube (the one that angles down toward the back of your door). Wrap the excess support cable around the outside of the canister, and use itty-bitty cable ties to hold the loops together, like a coiled spring, and the rest to the tube running up to the attachment. Attach the other end of the support cable around the top tube and the cockpit "hoop".
Remember, though, that it's an ABSOLUTE last resort, and MAY NOT SAVE YOUR LIFE when you use it. Nothing beats using good judgement, the BoRiS is just there in case your whole day turns to worms.
CaptainEqs
- Sunday, November 21, 2004 at 17:44:02 (CST)
I guess your right,I will figure some way out to get it
up there.The one I,ll be useing the spring loaded type.Its
about 3'long and has a pretty long cable with it.I think its
rated for 750lbs.Do you see any problem useing that type.
David
- Sunday, November 21, 2004 at 08:23:38 (CST)
captainqrs,
I will be installing them soon and will let you know the results...the shortest TO distance i have obtained is 250' with out them.....That is the tri gear with a 503 dcdi with the doors on the bird. I like the doors off but the performance is so much better with the doors on.. also have 12.5 lbs added to the tail, I may increase that by 2lbs or so...........
Slacker
- Saturday, November 20, 2004 at 17:16:57 (CST)
Joe: Probably not, there is about a 40 square foot difference between them, according to the specs. You need more wing to carry more weight.
David: It's worth figuring out a way. Remember, it's not there for the looks, it's there to save your life and maybe your bird. For that matter, you don't HAVE to mount it "swept back," you can mount it vertically or even swept forward. Whatever you do, you would rather have it launching upward than down or out.
CaptainEqs <o3x@utahskies.com>
- Saturday, November 20, 2004 at 09:37:51 (CST)
does anyone know if built up wings from a t1 can be used on a t2 frame with a similar situation as long wing and short wing challengers?
joe sharp <prontojoe@aol.com>
- Friday, November 19, 2004 at 19:07:57 (CST)
I had to move the engine forward to get it to balance
as a tri gear,So I dont know if there is anuff room in
front of the engine for a chute.
David
- Friday, November 19, 2004 at 17:58:39 (CST)
No, but I would sure like to get details on yours.
CaptainEqs <o3x@utahskies.com>
- Thursday, November 18, 2004 at 13:00:07 (CST)
Just got the Vortex Genorators, does anyone have a t-bird with the VG's on them??????
Slacker
- Thursday, November 18, 2004 at 08:57:43 (CST)
we have photos and video of our brs 750 installationoverhead and in front of the engine if anyone is interested...joe sharp
joe sharp <prontojoe@aol.com>
- Thursday, November 18, 2004 at 07:50:27 (CST)
Putting your chute underneath the bird isn't really a good idea. You might look at mounting it on top, ahead of the engine, where it won't get whacked by rocks and stuff. Watch out that the cable can't get into the controls.
CaptainEqs <o3x@utahskies.com>
- Thursday, November 18, 2004 at 00:09:28 (CST)
Hello Fellas,
Does anyone have about 4 rivnuts they would sell me or tell me where I can get some. As best I can tell the rivnuts at Aircraft Spruce are not like these. The ones I want are used in the wing. The part number is N-118 in the manual and I don't have any. N-118 fits an AN3 bolt.
Thanks.
Brian FitzGerald <brian@fitzvideo.com>
- Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 17:01:50 (CST)
Its the sixth post from the bottom.Its about putting a chute
underneath instead of on the wing strut.
David
- Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 16:49:36 (CST)
David nevr saw your post on the recovery chute, maybe ask again
slacker
- Tuesday, November 16, 2004 at 20:03:57 (CST)
Anyone got an answer on the recovery chute question I
ask a couple posts ago.
David
- Tuesday, November 16, 2004 at 19:05:52 (CST)
I've got a line on some non-provision Rotax engines. My Tierra was fine in Michigan and Hawaii, but now I'm at a 4500 MSL runway level. It feels like the flying equivalent of those old haoles you see at the store, hobbling along with their walkers and sucking O2 through a hose, so upgrading the engine is a major interest.
Does anyone make a good gearbox adapter for, say, the 503 or 583?
CaptainEqs <o3x@utahskies.com>
- Thursday, November 11, 2004 at 13:19:24 (CST)
Dear George,
Thanks for Kenny's last name.
Brian FitzGerald <brian@fitzvideo.com>
- Tuesday, November 09, 2004 at 09:20:50 (CST)
Hi everyone. I had dropped a note before on registering my tbird ii as an experimental. Still having fun with the FAA on that one. Will let everyone know. Still building (in between trips). I have a 2 with trigear and 582. Put windscreen in yesterday. Wings, tail, elevator, airlerons, rudder, cabin, seats, tank built. WOrking on the controls and such. Dropped a call to HL Cooper in arizona. I took a check ride in his 2 and he had a joystick. I might put one in mine. I have some pics of my construction and would love to share with someone else pics...maybe we can help each other. I was disappointed to find that Kenny was gone also...man, he was great.
Jerry in Socal
jerry <jerry.mansfield.ctr@usmc.mil>
- Monday, November 08, 2004 at 10:22:17 (CST)
I am having trouble getting my tri gear to fit on a new
T-Bird II and need some photos to see if I got the correct parts, measurements would be nice too.
Thanks
Jeff Straw <kinarfi@yahoo.com>
- Saturday, November 06, 2004 at 22:43:20 (CST)
kenney's last name is Nelson spelling may be wrong.
George Hall <ghall2@bellhelicopter.textron.com>
- Tuesday, November 02, 2004 at 08:19:59 (CST)
The last time I called Golden Circle I was dismayed to hear that Kenny had left the parts department.
I have talked with him for years and he has been very helpful but I must say I don't know Ken's last name. I want to give him a call on the phone so if any of you know his last name or telephone number I would appreciate it.
I don't get a chance to visit this bulletin board that often so please send me an email to:
brian@fitzvideo.com
Thanks.
Brian FitzGerald <brian@fitzvideo.com>
- Monday, November 01, 2004 at 12:56:35 (CST)
I soaw in previous posts that you all where discussing VG Vortex Generators for the t-bird. Has anyone used the vg's and do you see increase in the STOL. We are currently based at a feild that is 2000' but we are trying to use a feild that is behind our house that is 450' big change and sure would like some input on the VG's
Thanks
Tracey <slacker361 at comcast dot net>
- Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 13:32:04 (CDT)
Welcome Dana,
The site is kinda slow anymore. It use to be that you would have several posting a day, but now its just real slow. Please review all the old postings for a lot of information on the T Bird. I sold mine about a year ago but there is a wealth of knowledge in the old postings.
I was just looking at Clints bird and was wondering if anyone knows the cause of the crash. I know they had made a lot of changes to the plane, fuel etc. However its hard to find out anything.
Clint was way too young to leave this world but at least he went living his dream. Flight has always been a dream of mankind. And when our time comes to depart this ole world what a better way to go... The last moments fulfilling our dreams... it could have been at the hands of a drunk driver, a robbery gone bad, or something just stupid... I do believe our days are numbered and when our clocks run out it does not matter when..it was meant to happen... When my times comes, I can only hope I am that lucky................... TR Arizona...
N757NW <N757NW@cox.net>
- Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 18:17:40 (CDT)
Hi All!
What a great site! A regular T-Bird fan club. Let me introduce myself. My name is Dana Worman and I am the owner/operator of E028DS, a 1985 Tierra I tri-gear. She sports a 12 gallon tank, full enclosure, GPS, Radio, CHT, digital tach, ASI, Altimeter, anti-collision beacons, a Second Chanze chute that's beyond it's repack date (hopefully it's at least a Jack in the hole), with a Rotax 447 spinning a Warp Drive ground adjustable prop. I'll post some images if I can figure out how. I live on the frozen tundra of Sheboygan, Wisconsin and am currently based at Sheboygan Memorial Airport (SBM). I have just recently finished the requirements for my UFI (the paperwork is staring at me now), and was just out shopping for a T-Bird II when I stumbled upon this august body. It is already in favorites. I have been a volunteer for the past 2 years "down on the farm" at the big dance in Oshkosh. I've talked to Bob Ellefsen more than a few times, and the parts department even more, since my bird was injured when I bought her and she needs something here or there occasionally. I've been to GCA and he's got a pretty good set-up there. I'm very excited to find this site I seem to be the only one in Eastern Wisconsin with a T-Bird, and I have no one to compare no one to compare notes with. I am a mechanic/fabricator by trade and plan on getting a repairman certificate as soon as the S/L dust settles and they get the procedures and examiners, and forms, and copies , and......ad nauseum. I would be happy to answer any tech questions I can, and ask as many of the rest of you as you'll tolerate. I have to go now, since there is at least half of the site I have not devoured yet. Talk to you later.
DW
Dana Worman <danabike2000@yahoo.com>
- Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 01:03:40 (CDT)
Helluva time to find this site. Going over the archives, Clint seems like someone I would have wanted to know. A really odd thought is that he may be the guy who "loves T-Birds" who wanted to buy mine this summer, while it was Rochester, Indiana, before I got it shuttled out here to Utah.
The other thing is that, reading his messages about such things as the paintball gun, it hit me that he would have loved my project-for-later, to put dive brakes and a drag chute on my Tierra. I'm looking forward to landing, popping the chute, then calling "clear of the runway, need chute recovery as the first taxiway."
I think that he would have loved it too.
However, this being my first visit, I should mention that Monday was the first time that I actually got to fly my "baby Songbird" (I bought it in Indiana, then was forced to leave it there for a few months while I relocated to Deseret).
Where do I find the serial number? My bird has the silver Mylar, which has come off in a couple of patches while on the trailer coming out here. I fixed the small tears with Shoe Good, and I'll try the hobby-shop stuff for the big bare spot.
Anyone know how many pounds the fabric punch test should show, to be safe?
The first flight was from one airport (temporary housing) to the new home (I found a hangar), about 20 minutes. Flew fine, but on final I had about 10 - 15 degrees of crab in when I touched down, no damage at all after a solid-sounding "arrival."
Flying again tomorrow if the WX is good. Gonna shoot some landings and play in the pattern a while.
Anyone know a good source for the Penzoil? I got some of the air-cooled oil from Wally World, but I'd rather have the good stuff.
As of tomorrow, I will have my A22 radio mounted on the cockpit frame rail (doors off), with a section of shielded audio cable running to a jack on the right side of the plane for the mic/ear plug from my helmet.
CaptainEqs <ce@utahskies.com>
- Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 00:28:24 (CDT)
I hate to here news like that,I feel for the family.I read a report on the subject of ultralight crashes when I was
looking to buy one to get some kinda idea how safe they were. I dont remember where i saw it but would like to be able to find it agin.I bought an t-bird anyways and maybe one of these days i will get to learn to fly it instead of look at.
it.
David
- Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 22:28:23 (CDT)
I pulled this off the paper, our deepest smypthy goes out to Clints family and friends. Our prayers are with them. I am sure Clint was living his dream of flying.
A Warren businessman was killed Saturday morning when the ultralight aircraft he was piloting crashed onto Ind.-9 south of Huntington.
Clint Alan Glessner, 36, 424 N. Hendricks, died at the scene. The accident occurred as Glessner was attempting to land the plane at a grass strip just a few yards west of the four-lane highway. The plane struck the left lane in the highway's southbound lanes about a half-mile south of CR 100N, at around 9 a.m.
TR Arizona <N757NW@cox.net>
- Sunday, September 26, 2004 at 17:26:27 (CDT)
Dear fellow members;
This is Greg from Indiana. It greatly saddens to tell you Clint Glessner was killed landing his airplane in Hunington IN. Saturday morning Sept 25. He will be greatly missed by all With regrets Greg
Greg <dobi47@msn.com>
- Sunday, September 26, 2004 at 09:40:49 (CDT)
Hey guys, I have 4 McCullough engines for trade for a new set of sails for a T-1. These engines are 72 HP 4 cylinder and are apart for inspection. I have found them to be in excellant condition and they mike out as almost new. These are used on Gyro's etc. I also have additional parts that are included. If you want to buy them I will sell them for 1600.00 for everything... You can reach me at 304-425-7659 Jake jkirby10@charter.net
Jake <jkirby10@charter.net>
- Monday, September 06, 2004 at 18:46:40 (CDT)
Glad to see your back up and running......I know you make back ups for years and nothing happens , so you relax a little , and ****WHAM***. but glad to see your back up and didnt go away
QUeston to every one did you set the wash on the wing with the rear struts???? t-bird 1 tri gear
thanks
sLACKER361 <slacker361 at comcast dot net>
- Friday, September 03, 2004 at 20:59:08 (CDT)
Glad to see your back.Can a person put a recovery chute
underneath a t-bird instead the wing strut.(spring loaded type).The wing strut location will upset the balance where
as under it I can shift the chute to keep my balance right.
Its a trigear and its got plenty ground clerance.Am I right
or wrong.
David
- Friday, September 03, 2004 at 19:51:16 (CDT)
Recently the server that these pages are hosted on were compromised by an off shore hacker. In the process of the hosting company attempting to repair the problem, they totally destroyed the server. Unfortunately I didn't have a backup copy of the messages file and messages from 2003 -2004 were lost. I've put processes in place to keep a backup copy of this file in the future. All other files on the TBird site should be fine though. If you see something missing, please drop me a line and I'll get it pushed back up to the server.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Mark A. Carter <mark@ultrapilot.com>
- Friday, September 03, 2004 at 09:38:48 (CDT)
Jim:
If your looking for those specs. I think that there posted in the previous message boards or on the equipment/mechanical portion of this site. As far as extra fuel tanks, I have removed my rear seat tank in leu of two wing tanks. They both total 10 gals, and are suppended from the wind support tubes and attached to the leading wing strut. If you would like to see pics of them on my tierra, go to the other UL site and they're posted there.
I have had to beef up the support tube, for strength, and seems to be ok. The CG has been not changed since I replaced the tank with a rear seat for my New dog Daisy to ride. Her weight is not much more than a full rear tank, so I know I can run all three if I wish. My take off is about the same and my sink rate is about what it was before....crappy.....but I've done my share of power off landing lately and getting used to it. I now constantly look for landing spots and avoid the 75 foot douglas firs that are native to the NW.....Outside that another good way to check the balance is to attach a cable to the cross member in front of your engine and hang it between two poles or from a rafter in a hanger, and see what the exact weight foward is and compensate for the recommended nose to tail balance. I like mine a bit heavy on the nose, for the fact that our pushers have a tendency to do a nose-up when reducing power, and I would rather not do that....so I run nose heavy for that reason. In flight I have a bungy attached on my stick to help with the slight pull downward, and take the pull off my arm. It works almost like a trim, but not really....just a slight help.
Hope my observations are helpful...
Dave Bennett <davebennett100@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 14:48:02 (EDT)
Richard,
I know a lot of people that would be interested in a W & B for a T-Bird I. If you have any information that could be helpful in calculating the W & B we would really appreciate it. I installed a BRS behind the fuel tank and the plane seems to fly ok but I would really like to look at adding more fuel capacity and the ability to do a W & B would come in very handy. I have also contacted GSA and not received any help.
Thanks, Jim
Jim
- Wednesday, June 05, 2002 at 23:01:09 (EDT)
Dave, I see you are interested in a Gyro, If I may, I had one for several years and was one of the lucky ones who survived. I have several friends who are no longer with us because of Gyro's. I love to fly them as they can do some really neat things but they will also bite you in a hurry and they don't forgive a mistake. It is really easy to porpose one and if you do, its pretty much over. If you feel you must go this route, please get a lot of training.
I was very lucky as I taught myself to fly it.(Had lots of Fixed wing time) but if someone gave me one, I would take it apart and use the parts for something else. I know a few guys who flew them for years only to die in them. Enough said on that.
For you guys on the East Coast of these great states. There is a T l for sale in WV. It has a 503 engine on it, DC,elect start and every instrument you can name. The fellow wants $4900. for it and I knew this craft myself. Its a steel at that price. You can reach him at jkirby10@charter.net. If you want a single place with all the gadgets, Wing strobes and all. Contact him. This one won't last long... Keepem level guys... TR AZ
TR Arizona <N757NW@cox.net>
- Monday, June 03, 2002 at 23:16:49 (EDT)
Well I'm going to try something new something old.....I have been asked to join our local Coast Guard Auxillary as a coastal spotter with my two Ultralights, since they fly slow, and can get down in a hurry if needed to help with lost people, and surf fishermen in distress. I've decided even another short range craft would be a Gyrocopter that I could do a little more than my birds. The fuel consumtion is about the same, and the distance is equally the same, the difference is the low level (on the deck) flying I can do in spotting lost kids in the dunes here.
Our Coast Guard is really limited of spotter craft, (one or two) helos for 26 miles of beach and dunes....So I'm looking for a good Bensen, or simular to be able to actually fly off my backyard (beach) and help with search and rescue....So it's back to basics and getting a Gyrocopter. I haven't flown one in 30+ years and will self teach again as I did with the Tierras. I don't have much choice out here on the coast....But the principals are the same, in fact a bit easier when coming to landing and take offs.....
So wish me luck...new adventure and new horizons......
Dave Bennett <davebennett100@yahoo.com>
- Sunday, June 02, 2002 at 22:53:03 (EDT)
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